Resources

I. Websites dedicated to Saint Thomas Christian history, culture, traditions and heritage
South Asia Research Assistance Services (SARAS)
Project for Preserving the Manuscripts of the Syrian Christians in India
Advanced learning and teaching centre for Syriac language and heritage
Syrian Christians DNA Project website
The Nazrani periodical
Christian Musicological Society of India
Nasrani Foundation
 
II. Church Websites
Syro Malabar Church
Malankara Orthodox Syriac Church ( Indian Orthodox )
Malankara Syriac Orthodox Church (Jacobite)
Syro Malankara Catholic Church
Malankara Mar Thoma Syrian Church
Malabar Independent Syrian Church
Chaldean Syrian Church India ( COE India)
 
III.Blogs
Sharbtho- Syrian Christians
 
IV.Family Web sites
Saint Thomas Christians Family Web sites
 
V. Church Specific Web sites
Syro Malabar Church Web sites
Malankara Syriac Orthodox Church (Jacobite) Web sites
Malankara Orthodox Syriac Church (Orthodox) Web sites
Syro Malankara Catholic  Church Web sites
Malankara Mar Thoma Syrian Church Web sites
Malankara Independent Church ( Thozhiyur) Web sites
Chaldean Syrian Church Web sites
Catholic Church Web sites
Orthodox  Church Web sites
 
VI. Online Articles
Aspects of the Idea of “Clean and Unclean” among the Brahmins, the Jews, and the St. Thomas Christians of Kerala by Prof.George Menachery
Saint Thomas Cross (Mar Toma Sliba) by Fr Varghese Pathikulangara CMI
Christian Contribution to Art and Architecture in India by Prof.George Menachery
Prof. Menachery Papers and Articles
The Great Church of Ollur and the Angel Raphael – A Photo Feature
Mar Thoma: The Apostolic Foundation of the Assyrian Church and the Christians of St. Thomas in India
New Text of the Sacraments Syro Malabar Church Rev Fr Thomas Mannooramparambil
 
VII. Online Books
Kodungallur- The Cradle of Christianity In India by Prof. George Menachery & Fr. Werner Chakkalakkal, CMI
East of the Euphrates: Early Christianity in Asia by T.V. Philip
GEDDES : A short history of the church of Malabar
MACKENZIE : Christianity in Travancore
GEORGE CATHANAR: The Orthodoxy of the St. Thomas Christians
A.E. MEDLYCOTT: Indian and the Apostle Thomas

22 Comments

  1. I think the attempt to claim that Syrian Christians as Bhrahmin convert sounds pathetic and does not fit with the Christian tradition of humility and against lords and feudals.
    Why will someone want to be called a Brahmin – A community that oppressed Dalits/Dravidians for so long?
    I would rather you try to call yourself Jews.

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  2. I take seriously your sentiments on the historic injustices perpetrated against the Forest-Dwellers/Dravidians/Dalits by the Aryans; it can be said to be a form of racial and cultural genocide. However, this begs an inevitable question: If your premise is–sadly–true, should Nasranis of today who are centuries and culturally removed from that period in point, time, and place, feel culpable and guilty for the sins of their forefathers/mothers? Are we accomplices in their treachery? It is a deeply moral question and a deeply ethical question that transcends any theology as such and offers no easy answer. Nevertheless, the question must be asked. Empirical evidence has not given us solace on our origins. For example, the dates concerning the Aryan incursion have been contested, and even the Dravidians among us are colonizers for the Dravidian script, Brahui, has been found in Pakistan. And the beat goes on…..

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  3. Dear Sophia:

    You wrote: “If your premise is–sadly–true, should Nasranis of today who are centuries and culturally removed from that period in point, time, and place, feel culpable and guilty for the sins of their forefathers/mothers?”

    Is sin genetic? I’m Orthodox, so I don’t believe so, and so I don’t feel responsible for the sins of my ancestors. Of course, Catholics and Protestants who accept Augustine’s concept of “Original Sin” might feel different…

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  4. I think the fact that the first local converts were Brahmans seems to
    be made up. I’m pretty sure that Mar Thoma would have converted any one
    if they were willing, not just upper caste Hindus. Besides the chances seem slim
    that upper-caste Hindus would just willingly convert to a foreign religion.
    Most of these stories seem to be made up, they are fictitious.

    The problem with Sooriyani Nasranis is the fact that they are a group of people
    who completely don’t know they history. Like an orphan child. Mainly due to eradication
    done by the Portuguese.

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  5. HI KIZHAKKAN i know that u are try to bring you research and that is good and when i went to your knanaya pages i was thinkin that who are nasranis too and do u think we are sepereate people from like u guys claiming regarding its orgin . if i observe things in our community thing are seems so much clear to me. There can be some mix in nasrani community there but the orgin seems strong to me. if knanayas been orginal from orgins, people should be look not only fair but atleat blound, big built, a non indianized nature or a different nature from indian life syles .But i know that some knanaite are looks different but that same on nasrani populations too. i believe it the matter that what nasrani forefathers and knanaya forefathers prespectives and thier choices they made reflects on the new excisting generations. What i felt in knanayas that they are sort of being in the white side that it seemS less local mixure may be compare to some populations among nasaranis and knanayas are just being superior that they are staying more in the white side but lot of keralites looks are posted on so many knanayas individuals and still saying we are orginals seems ???

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  6. Mr.Kezhakken has enlightened us with some wonderful information about Knanaya DNA tests.

    “Mr. Cyriac Thannikary appears to support the above points. It shows that Knanaya has significant similarity with other populations of Middle East and India, in addition to Jewish. Mr. Cyriac Thannikary’s project has far more authenticity, details and analysis than the DNA study done by Suzanne Mazhuvanchery whose book was officially distributed at the KCCNA convention which includes her conclusion of Knanaya heritage based on DNA study.”

    Whats the information in Suzanne Mazhuvanchery book on this subject ?

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  7. “Mainly due to eradication done by the Portuguese.”

    I don’t think so. We should stop blaming others for our own problems: our ancestors never committed our history in any decent, permanent form, which is why have to resort to myths and story telling. Not just us, but many communities in India: it really does seem that Indians, apart from Asoka and the monument builders of old, really didn’t care too much about history. Or perhaps society changed a lot more back then—invasions, immigration, changing trade, climate, etc—so that our ancestors were more concerned with survival than property history-writing.

    Whatever the case may be, our problems with history are not due to the Portuguese. If anything they, like the British after them, helped preserve what we actually had. And they engaged in some scholarly studies of what our origins were. If they didn’t have sufficient material to produce a continuous history, that was *our* fault.

    Our ancestors handed their documents, artifacts, etc. to various foreigners: whether Portuguese, Dutch, or British. The old stories of how the “evil Franks” came, persecuted us, and destroyed our glorious history, are probably just stories, exaggerated over four hundred years by various politically-minded “scholars” of our own “caste” that, by their carelessness, screwed up our history by introducing bogus theories.

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  8. I have no idea of what philip is saying. I mean I just don’t understand what your talking about. Maybe you should reply back in a logical manner.

    The Romans came to England some 1500 years ago or something. But I don’t see the Brits going on saying “we have Roman blood!….”

    It’s possible to have foreign blood, when it comes to Nasranis. But you should also look into your other side as well ~ the Indian side, and your ancestors from a region which has a long history.

    “among nasaranis and knanayas are just being superior that they are staying more in the white side but lot of keralites looks are”

    Wow, I don’t exactly know what you’re talking about here. But it seems like you are a racist. You like to be considered as less Indian. And more “white”.

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  9. @ John Mathew
    So I would you explain the fact that the majority of Keralite Christians belong to the Catholic Church (Syro Malabar Church)? and the latinization of the liturgical mass?

    The Catholic Church during the Middle Ages, in Europe, was no different from present day Terrorist groups. Popes were like tyrannical kings who killed Jews and others. And the main language was Latin. I don’t believe that the Nasranis had any connection with this church until the arrival of the Portuguese. And the Portuguese who discriminated Jews (ex: 5000 Jews were killed in Lisbon in 1506) obviously hated seeing the Jewish influenced version of Christianity among the Nasranis.

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  10. “Not just us, but many communities in India: it really does seem that Indians, apart from Asoka and the monument builders of old, really didn’t care too much about history.”

    Like who?

    Indian history is ages old, its just that most Indians don’t care to look up who we were.
    Everything that came from Buddhism or even Western philosophy (which influenced Christianity)
    was all there ages ago in Indian Philosophy.

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  11. Aadu Thomas:

    Go and read some actual history and come back. I’ve read the same garbage by various partisan historians, that depict the Syrian Christians in one of a hundred “noble ways” and decry the “foriegners” who came and destroyed our “purity”. Then I grew up, and started looking at the sources. Obviously you have not done either.

    Regarding your “points”: Go read some actual history. Check teh SRITE project for a scholar’s point of view. Or you can read any of the old works about our history.

    “I don’t believe that the Nasranis had any connection with this church until the arrival of the Portuguese.”

    Well you can believe in whatever fairy tales you wish, but it is a fact that we were Nestorians, then CHALDEANS, and then the Portuguese came. The Chaldeans were Catholic. These are facts supported by cold hard evidence. No fairy tales or propaganda here.

    “And the Portuguese who discriminated Jews (ex: 5000 Jews were killed in Lisbon in 1506) obviously hated seeing the Jewish influenced version of Christianity among the Nasranis.”

    Many Christians hated Jews for various reasons at various times. The Roman Catholics, Greek Orthodox, Jacobites, Nestorians and Protestants have all hated Jews at one point in time.

    Stop reading fluff and look for history that is supported by actual evidence. It would at the very least make you look less idiotic, and at best would enlighten you.

    For your latter post:

    Yes, many things were in Indian Philosophy, and Indian philosophy was very advanced. The only problem is that if one tries to actually *date* the ideas, one runs into incredible difficulty. It’s nice to be “proud” of your history (if being proud of another’s accomplishments, rather than your own, is your personal thing), but one should first be sure of what your history is. That is, one should look for history that is supported by evidence, not just some bigoted Priest’s distortion. Nasrani history is *full* of the latter.

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  12. Dear Aadu Thomas: (RE: Anti-Jewish Sentiments)

    For a small sample of anti-Jewish sentiment in the Syriac Churches, you can go to http://www.archive.org and peruse various Syriac books. I’ll leave it to you to do a detailed study, if you’re so interested.

    But as one small example, you can read
    “THE HISTORY OF THE LIKENESS OF CHRIST, AND OF HOW THE ACCURSED JEWS IN THE CITY OF TIBERIAS MADE A MOCK THEREOF IN THE DAYS OF THE GOD-LOVING EMPEROR ZENO.”
    which is found in a Syriac text with title: “The history of the Blessed Virgin Mary and The history of the likeness of Christ which the Jews of Tiberias made to mock at”.

    The text has two volumes, one Syriac and one English.

    I believe this text is common to both Syriac traditions.

    You can also check the West Syriac rite. I know the Shimmo has some anti-Jewish comments (“cursed people of the Jews”), and have heard (but not verified, since I don’t know Malayalam too well and have not seen the Syriac sources) that some of the Good Friday hymns express anger at the Jews.

    The point: the Western R.C. are not alone in expressing anti-Jewish sentiments. I know the Wikipedia article on the Nasranis speaks about how the R.C. came over and obliterated the old “Jewish Christians” in Malabar, and replaced it with an anti-Semetic version of Christianity. I think this is not a *fact* but is a bit of distortion and creative story writing (e.g., since when did the Persian Cross become a “Nasrani Menorah”!?!). The reports of Diamper and most scholars say that we were Nestorians and not primitive Judeo-Christians as some Protestants and revisionists would have us believe. And if we were Nestorians, we were most certainly not too dissimilar from the Portuguese, Latins, Greeks, West Syriacs, etc., with respect to the Jews. Perhaps it was our Indian tolerance that caused us to not go around killing them?

    But of course, the Syriacs and Greeks were dissimilar from many of the Latin and Slavic European nations (Orthodox and Catholic) who engaged in genocidal pogroms against the Jews. I think the Eastern/Oriental way of doing things was to just argue and write polemics and diatribes; not to actually go out and massacre people. Well… not quite. Let’s not forget the battles of the Melkites against the Jacobites, Jacobites against the Nestorians, Nestorians against the Jacobites, Jacobites against the Maronites, Maronites against the Jews, and so on…

    Just reporting some data.

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  13. These are very good effort to make people aware of the history. I have one question that is bothering me for a long time. When was the day of worship in Kerala when St: Thomas estabilshed the churches?

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  14. Correction, It sholud read What was the day of worship?

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  15. Dear Titus,

    Based on the evidence I’ve seen, we can not make assertions about what happened anytime before the 10th century, at best. To be conservative, the earliest documented evidence pertaining to the Kerala Church starts from the 16th century, with one 13th century document supposedly in existence. If you want to go into details on this evidence, there are three main sources:
    1) SRITE,
    2) the works of the Portuguese who were in close contact with us during that era, and
    3) the works of the Maronite Assemani family.
    For 1) and 2), if you know English you’ll be okay, though for 2) Portuguese can’t hurt. For 3) you’ll probably need to know Syriac and Latin.

    If you want to know what was the case as of the 16th century, you can read the proceedings of the Synod at Diamper, available online at Google Books.

    If you want to know what was most likely this case if the Church of Kerala was indeed part of the Church of the East for its pre-15th century history (which is likely, given what evidence we do have), you can go and study the canons and faith of that Church.

    If you want to read myths that tell you *exactly* what St Thomas did when he came in AD 52, you can read any one of a number of possibly bogus stories concocted by Kerala Church “scholars” over the years. This is the least satisfying route, intellectually, but may help you to go to bed at night if you enjoy fiction over fact…

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  16. Mr John Mathew: You are right about the east syrian liturgy being used in India before the Portugese arrived and yes the church was very jewish and the language used assyrian east syrian aramaic BUT please don’t mistake the term Chaldean with Assyrian church of the East even though the current branch in India calls itself Chaldean Syrian church. It’s very clear in their website that their allegiance is towards their patriarch Mar Dinkha 4 and not the Pope. Outside India Chaldean catholic section came into existence ONLY after the schism of 1552 where the ancient Church of the East split into Assyrian Church of the East and Chaldean Catholic Church . Moreover Church of the East has had nothing to do with Rome was not even in the Roman Empire. Was in the Sassanid Empire with the synod of Seleucia-Ctesiphon held at the Sassanid capital. It was never even in communion with the Roman Empire churches both Roman catholic and Eastern Orthodox and was not even present for many of the councils of Rome though the creed and canons of the council of Nicea alone was accepted by the synod of Seleucia-Ctesiphon.

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  17. Dear Divya George,

    You wrote in reply to John Mathew ‘..arrived and yes the church was very jewish and the language used assyrian east syrian aramaic BUT …”

    I don’t think John Mathew has ever said that our church was very Jewish or even Jewish. Most of us agree, that the Malabar Nazerenes followed certain traditions that were Jewish and they had good relationship with the local Jews and that many Jews/Beni Israelites became Nazerenes over the centuries.
    We were a mix of Syriac Christianity, Judaism, Beni Israelitism, Hinduism/Buddhism etc. and were generally independent of the CoE, until the Portugeese came over with their Inquisition.

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  18. Ya that’s true we had jewish traditions probably not very jewish but a mix. The veil at the alter and things like that were retained. I don’t agree with you about us being independent of Church of the East at all. We were ALL using the Mar Mari n Mar Adai east syrian liturgy until the Portugese came. The Church of the East extended to China and a lot of other places as well. The decline of the church in India was after the Roman Catholic Portugese, in Edessa was the Roman Catholic church plus Islam. Both attacked the church. Roman Catholicism and West Syrian liturgy came in only after the Portugese.

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  19. Dear Mr. Divya George,
    Please read my post, I said ‘generally independent of the CoE’ and did not say ‘no ties’ or ‘much ties’. We did not have clergy modeled on CoE style. We had hereditary priests and we were leaning towards Hindu customs. No CoE or Vatican or Canterbury can accept such Hindu leanings. We had to be generally independent.. logically. We did wrong and still doing wrong. We have to evolve and grow pleasing to Jesus.
    DNAs have strongly indicated that we are of Israelite/Hebrew heritage. The early Nazerenes were nothing but Jews, a sect of Jews. This status of being a sect of the Jews was lost by us. Frankly, we just did not and do not have it in us to return to our Jewish roots. I do not blame anyone for this weakness. It is all as in the Bible. This was and is bound to happen. Can you or me fight against Elohim’s will?

    Jeremiah 17:4 “..You will let go of your inheritance which I gave you, and I’ll make you serve your enemies in a land that you don’t know. For with my anger you have started a fire that will burn forever..”

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  20. Dear Mathai Varghese, Divya George,

    1. How can we say that the Thomas Christians in Kerala were independent of the Church of the East ?

    We were heavily dependent on the Church of the East until the arrival of Portuguese. We were always in a hierarchical relation with the CoE. There are several documentation available about the hierarchical relation with the CoE in connection with the dispute about Metroplitan of Fars refusing to consecrate Bishops for Malabar and then elevating the Indian Church into a Metropolitan Church directly under the Patriarch, and also about enthroning the Metropolitan by placing the approval letter of the Patriarch on the head of the Metropolitan.

    In the later part, our Bishops were coming from one of the Monasteries in Babylon. According to a few experts, our delegates go there and find a suitable monk as our Bishop.

    It is clearly documented about the Journey of Joseph the Indian to Babylon in AD 1490 to fetch Bishops Mar Thomas and Mar John from the Monastery of Saint Eugene at Gazerta. Again in AD 1503, Joseph Cathanaar went to Babylon and from the same Monastery of Saint Eugene, three Bishops- Mar Denha, Mar Jacob and Mar Jaballaha were consecrated and they arrived with Mar Thomas in AD 1504 who wrote the famous letter to the Patriarch from Malabar.

    After the Coonan Cross Oath and the divisions, the Puthencoor became affiliated to the Syriac Patriarch of Antioch and then they did not want any connections with the Church of the East. But still, when Mar Gabriel arrived, a good number of people from Puthencoor joined him.

    From the Pazhayacoor, as they were under the Latin rite Portuguese Prelates, they always wanted to get reconnected with the Church of the East. The number of delegations sent to the Church of the East/Chaldean Church are the examples. The unrest among Pazhayacoor in relation to Pandari Paulose( Mar Abraham), Mar Thomas Rokos and Mar Elia Melus are results of the Pazhayacoor community sending delegates to the East Syrian church.

    2. How can we say that ‘we did not have a clergy modelled on CoE style’ ?

    Yes, I agree, we had an Archdeacon who was the temporal head of the Church. The Archdeaconate was hereditary. It is not clear about any hereditary succession of Archdeaconate in the Church of the East, but the Patriarchal position was hereditary in the CoE. So, what difference we can find about the model of clerical order

    3. Do we have a strong evidence that we are of Israelite/Hebrew heritage based on the DNA study ?

    How many samples are studied ? What is the ‘p’ value of the study ? Have they compared the rest of the Keralan population and showed a statistically significant difference ?

    As Divya George has mentioned, the Church of the East extended up to China. Malabar was a hub of East Syrian traders from Babylon and China.

    Joseph, the Indian stated in AD 1501 that the Chinese traders in Calicut were all East Syrian Christians. We had interactions with both and that is why we have some architectural influence from Chinese in Kerala along with the Chinese nets, China pan(Cheena chatty) etc. in Kerala.

    Richard Collins has commented in Indian Antiquarry (Jan 1875) that Madras was called China pattanam not Chinnappa pattanam, on account of the presence of Chinese traders/settlements in the past evidenced by excavating chineese coins. So, the present name Chennai is also a reminder of the East Syrian Chinese trade in South India.

    I wonder why no one has studied the Chinese DNA among Nasranis ?

    3 .”Moreover Church of the East has had nothing to do with Rome…..”

    It is not that true. Patriarch Timothy’s writings confirms that CoE always considered Bishop of Rome as Primus inter pares. CoE has had several connections in the middle ages with Church of Rome. Even in the period of its Glory, in AD 1287, Rabban Bar Sauma travelled to Rome to visit the Pope to seek help with the threat of Islamic invasion onto the CoE as an ambassador of Patriarch Jaballaha II. As there was no Pope at that time(vacancy as Pope Honorius IV died), they travelled to Paris and then returned to Rome again once a new Pope Nicholas IV was elected. Rabban Sauma received Holy Eucharist from Pope Nicholas IV and proclaimed “With the pardon of my faults and sins which I have received thee, O Father, I desire of thy fatherliness, O’ Holy Father that I may receive communion from thy hands, so that I may have complete forgiveness”.

    Rabban Sauma celebrated East Syrian Qurbana in Vatican in which the Pope also attended.

    Bofore this, in AD 1247, Patriarch Sabrisho also entered into some sort of communion with the Patriarch of Rome.
    But these relations were very volatile, they considered Patriarch of Rome as Primus inter pares, not like today’s communion of Eastern Churches.

    2 Re. Assyrian and Chaldean .

    The Assyrian identity came only later. In AD 1552, the term ‘Assyrian Church of the East’ did not exist. The term Chaldean was given to Chaldean Catholic Church because, Rome identified the ‘East Syrian Rite’ as ‘Chaldean rite’ during the Council of Florence when the East Syrian Church province in Cyprus entered into communion with Rome. So, term Chaldean has nothing to do with Chladean identity. East Syrian rite and Chaldean rite are the same.
    When the Portuguse came, we were in hierarchical relation with the undivided Church of the East. After AD 1552 Chaldean Schism, Rome and Chaldean Patriarch agreed the jurisdictional authority of the Patriarch of the Chaldeans over Thomas Christians of Malabar. Hence Mar Joseh Sulaqa was sent to Malabar from the Patriarch of the Chaldeans. At the same time, the East Syrian Patriarch at Al Khosh sent Mar Abraham also to Malabar, but due to the political power of Portuguese, he had to get converted to the Chaldean Church to remain in Malabar. So, only Chaldean Prelates could remain in Malabar and the Thomas Christians were in a hierarchical relation with the Patriarch of the Chaldeans.

    Later, we can see the whole Patriarchate of Chaldeans broke away from the communion with Rome and became known as Assyrian Church of the East and the whole East Syrian Patriarchate of Al’ Khosh entered into communion with the Roman Church and became known as Chaldean Catholic Church.

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  21. Dear Mr. M. Thomas Antony,

    I am clear in saying that we were generally independent of CoE, though we did have relationship with them. No doubt!

    My main support for saying that the CoE was not under Rome is the book by ‘Dr. Asahel Grant’.. ‘The Nestorians, The Lost 10 Tribes of Israel’, which we had discussed so much in the past. Ofcourse, you do not accept the book at all, but I do consider the book to be of reasonable scholastic value. I must confess that I have tried not to give much importance to this book, but the more I am exposed to this subject, the more I am convinced of its great historical value.
    http://books.google.ca/books?id=uHL1WaNC-kMC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

    The reference you have quoted of Patriach Timothy having always considered supremacy of Rome may be true as far as the existence of such a reference in a book or writing, but would not be ‘reality’ having scholastic value. There are 100s of such perceptions and perceptions are not historical truths, though they may be strong reality to some.

    Indeed, Malabar was in touch with the outside Christian world and indeed, there would have certainly been in Malabar of Antiochan and Vatican influences. No denial of these. But the point is that the population was generally under CoE with no local resident clergy, but with occasional visits of bishops. I would not address our ‘Jaathi Moopens’ as ‘Archdeacons’. I am sure that 1000 to 800 years ago, they were called ‘Jaathi Moopans’ and not Archdeacons.

    Our DNAs indicating Israelite/Hebrew heritage is now almost a ‘done case’. Since there are about 6 milion of us, one can always say that sufficient population samples were not done. FTDNA has more of Marthoma and Jacobite DNA studies and Dr. Kariappa has more of Syro Malabar DNA studies. I think, it is now reasonably established that our DNAs show reasonable Israelite/Hebrew heritage. 5 years ago, we were debating if we had a ‘Jewish heritage’. Now that subject has become a ‘stale subject’, dull and uninteresting. It has become ridiculous to even write anymore that we were once Hindus and Brhamins and Buddhists.
    What we are now focusing on is preserving our Eastern Syriac/Aramaic and the First Century Nazerene Faith as in the Bible. All other things are OUT for it is excess baggage.

    The Malabar Nazereans are today way ahead in matters of faith, spirituality and theology than the Middle Eastern Christians. They are simply no match to us. I have now reconciled to this belief, as I now live amongst many such Middle East Christians. If you belong to the ‘old school’ only, you can not accept this change. But I truly love the Middle East Christians and many will know me as one very heavily supporting the persecuted Middle East Christians in Facebook, often endangering my own ‘health and safety’. They are terribly weak and shattered now, with hardly any energy to even stand up. I am not at all belittling them, but only saying that times have much changed. Their leadership days are OVER, but they certainly live in us. This is the whole point. This does not again mean that the Malabar Syrian Churches are role models. Far far from it! We all know the utter disarray and much negative things amongst us. All I know for sure, is that the old order is changing and something new is taking shape.

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  22. Dear Mathai Varghese,

    Sorry for the delayed response. Thanks for your explanation.

    “Ofcourse, you do not accept the book at all, but I do consider the book to be of reasonable scholastic value”
    “………………….would not be ‘reality’ having scholastic value.”

    I am very surprised to see these comments. It seems that you want to put me into one school.

    I have commented about the past relations of CoE with Rome. Please do not assume any more meanings to that comment. They are historical facts. They may not be reality to everyone. (Please do not assume that the relation that is mentioned is comparable to the Chladean Catholic/Syro Malabar relations to Rome today.)

    Regarding Jewish DNA connection.

    “Our DNAs indicating Israelite/Hebrew heritage is now almost a ‘done case’”

    You need to understand about the scientific value of researches and also interpretation of the results of researches.
    If you want to say that Syrian Christians DNAs have shown evidence for Jewish genetic heritage, one has to prove that the relation is unique to Syrian Chrisrtians of Malabar only and also the results should have a statistical significance.
    Without these, all those results are just observations.

    Can you provide any results that clearly confirm that this Jewish DNA heritage is unique to Syrian Christians of Malabar which is statistically significant ?

    As I understand, all these studies carry only the value of a case series or observations. It is very surprising that various researchers are concentrating on certain sub sects of the Syrian Christian community- for example, as you have said, certain series concentrated on Jacobite and Marthomites and certain other on Syro Malabars ! This itself proves that the design is faulty. Is it a research or a gimmick for propaganda ?

    Please enlighten us.

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